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 <description>&lt;p&gt;A very good article. I alwas enjoy reading about the partnership letters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, I did want to mention a few minor quibbles / elaborations:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sanborn Map should not be spelled &quot;Sandborn Map&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The mention of &quot;40% of the partnership&#039;s capital&quot; was related to American Express – although this is not obvious from the partnership letters alone. Previously, he had not put more than 25% in a single idea – although it appears he did opt for the max more than once. However, where we know he put that much in it is often an &quot;influence&quot; if not &quot;control&quot; type position, in that he was a big enough shareholder that he would have to be wooed by management if they wanted to effect a major corporate change. This isn&#039;t quite the same thing as Dempster, Berkshire, etc. – but, it&#039;s worth noting. Also, with the exception of American Express, these were likely deep value asset plays. Two examples he mentions are Sanborn and a New Jersey bank. From what little I know about them, they were extremely &quot;safe and cheap&quot; more like the Marty Whitman of today than the Warren Buffett of today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The leverage was to offset &quot;workouts&quot; which were really operations in announced events. Also, there&#039;s a big hint in a couple of the letters, that the partnership is somehow hedged in a way that will capture relative performance between stocks. Here, it&#039;s safe to assume, Buffett is departing from Graham&#039;s playbook in some way and needs protection against a huge contraction in market multiples (across the board) that wouldn&#039;t be needed if he was invested purely in NCAV bargains, workouts, etc. He had a lot more money at this point, and valuations had gotten high in some places, so this was probably Buffett&#039;s most conventional looking value portfolio. In other periods, he&#039;s not even playing the same game other value investors play, he&#039;s in very safe, very cheap stuff – NCAV bargains, workouts, control / influence positions, and deep asset plays. In other words, in most years, moves in the market shouldn&#039;t have done much to his portfolio – but, it may have become harder to maintain this insulation fully in later years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, on the Pepsi to Coke conversion, Keough tells a nice story about introducing Buffett to Cherry Coke after reading a magazine profile of Buffett in which it was mentioned he consumed something like a half dozen cans of Pepsi a day – of course, being a Coca-Cola man, Keough doesn&#039;t actually speak the competitor&#039;s forbidden name when he tells the story.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I just wanted to note that Buffett was buying some very small stocks for the partnership. Adjusted for inflation, most people would be surprised how small some of these stocks were - he was definitely into micro-caps for as long as his investing career allowed it. Because he was such a great investor it was a short period in his carreer, but that fact shouldn&#039;t lead people to think he abandoned the approach because it doesn&#039;t work - he abandoned it because it couldn&#039;t work &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;for him&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, everyones leaves this little detail out, but Buffett was personally rather well-off when he returned to Omaha, because he didn&#039;t put his money into Graham Newman – rather he quickly turned about $10,000 into $100,000 through a few concentrated bets in small, spectacular bargains. I know a hundred grand doesn’t sound like that much – but, a dollar was worth a lot more back then and Buffett was a great investor, so he knew he didn&#039;t need to work another day in his life. He could have invested his own money and would have become a very rich man – not Forbes list rich, but rich nonetheless. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, Buffett&#039;s early days were mostly spent in much smaller and more obscure stocks than people seem to remember today. That&#039;s often left out of the Graham / Fisher debate – and it&#039;s something that leaves its fingerprints over the early days of Berkshire and occasionally pops up even in later years at Berkshire. The problem is, you can&#039;t put billions to work in Graham type bargains – but, Buffett&#039;s views about how to manage millions (rather than billions) are a lot closer to the Graham Newman playbook than most people seem to think. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t mean to minimize the &quot;paying up for quality&quot; purchases, but sometimes people emphasis that part of Buffett&#039;s career to an unhealthy extreme, he doesn&#039;t just buy anything with a wide moat, and if you stress that side of Buffett too much you can overlook the conspicuously cheap stuff and pay too high a premium for the wide moat franchises of today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just my thoughts – regardless, it&#039;s a good article.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 08:45:36 -0400</pubDate>
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